8 Forms of Wealth Money Can't Buy, Living w/ Purpose vs. Fear: Robin Sharma | Ep 97 - Gent's Talk

[00:00:00] There's generations, Samir. Generations of people who are feeling bad because they're

[00:00:05] measuring their success and wealth by what's in their bank accounts, talk portfolio, and

[00:00:10] the square footage of their house. If you want to break the loop of making everything

[00:00:15] about the watches, the jets, and how much money you have, ask yourself who are you

[00:00:19] spending your time with? Where do you find the balance between the extremes?

[00:00:25] If you look at the research, the most productive people working, it's harder than ever before with

[00:00:32] the ****.

[00:00:33] I'm wondering why you say that.

[00:00:38] Taking time off is necessary for creativity. Go goes for your taking a year away from the

[00:00:43] world. Go to Tokyo, go to Bali, go to Vietnam, do it for a day.

[00:00:47] What do you say then to the people who hear this message and go, that sounds great,

[00:00:53] but I work a really crappy job?

[00:00:55] I would say to that person, number one, you have a lot more choices than you might be noticing.

[00:00:59] Victims are about CBE, Complaint Blame and Excuse. Leaders are about APR, Absolute Personal

[00:01:04] Responsibility. Someone's going to write the next best seller. Someone's going to

[00:01:07] write the code that'll change the world. Why not you?

[00:01:35] Welcome to the Gents Talk podcast.

[00:01:36] It's great to be here with you, Samir.

[00:01:38] I'm really excited to have you on. I've heard so many great things about speaking

[00:01:43] to you and when the opportunity came up to have you join me in studio, part of your book

[00:01:50] tour for the new book. Congratulations.

[00:01:52] Thank you very much.

[00:01:55] I'm curious about how that process goes, but when I had the opportunity to bring you

[00:02:01] on, I immediately jumped at it because I think you are a wealth of knowledge. You're

[00:02:08] a world-renowned author. You've got your book sell everywhere across the globe.

[00:02:13] You're a speaker. You work with Fortune 500 CEOs. You name it.

[00:02:17] I mean, the list of accolades is so long it would take the extent of this entire podcast

[00:02:22] episode to list them out. But what I wanted to know from you first and foremost is part

[00:02:28] of this particular book tour, The Wealth Money Can't Buy.

[00:02:33] What is the wealth you're referring to?

[00:02:37] Maybe one way to answer it, Samir, is what is the wealth I'm not referring to?

[00:02:41] I only mean that our society has hypnotized us in many ways to measure wealth by how much

[00:02:47] money we have, the size of our portfolio, how many things we've accumulated.

[00:02:52] That has a lot of us climbing a mountain that I think truth will tell. They're going

[00:02:59] to reach a point where they think they've climbed the wrong mountain.

[00:03:03] In this book, I have a foundational model that I start off with. It's based on

[00:03:08] what I've been teaching to my billionaire client, sports superstar, entertainment

[00:03:12] royalty clients for about 15 years. It's called The Eight Forms of Wealth.

[00:03:16] Money is one of the forms of wealth. Money is important. It puts food on the family

[00:03:21] table. Excuse me for my voice by the way. I've been on this book tour.

[00:03:25] But money puts food on the family table. It allows us to do great things for the people we love.

[00:03:30] It allows us to be helpful. But there are seven other forms of wealth that I think most of us miss

[00:03:37] and if we could only embrace them and feed them, I think we'd have truly rich lives.

[00:03:43] And what are those seven?

[00:03:45] Okay, so there's the first form of wealth, growth. We can get into it.

[00:03:49] But if you are materializing your potential, you've got a currency worth celebrating.

[00:03:55] Number two, wellness. The old idea. When we are young, we would sacrifice all of our health for wealth.

[00:04:03] When we get old and figure out what life is all about, we'd sacrifice all of our wealth for a day of good health.

[00:04:09] So there's 20 chapters on how do you really maximize energy, longevity, peak health.

[00:04:15] Three, family. Last night I was very blessed. I spent time with my 87-year-old father

[00:04:23] and my mother and my daughter Bianca. That is a form of wealth money camp by

[00:04:30] to have good friends, a good family, a happy home.

[00:04:34] So that's the third form of wealth. The fourth is craft.

[00:04:37] I think we often neglect the power of seeing your work no matter what it is as an opportunity to pursue mastery.

[00:04:45] Fifth form of wealth is money. Sixth is community. Building a life where you strip out the energy of

[00:04:52] vampires and you fill your life with possibly Tarians and people whose lives you want to be living.

[00:04:58] Seventh is adventure. Eight is service.

[00:05:01] Out of those eight, which one resonates the most with you?

[00:05:07] They all deserve equal weighting in many ways.

[00:05:13] But I've always really embraced number one very much growth.

[00:05:19] I come from very humble beginnings. I grew up in a little town in Cape Breton, Nova Scotia.

[00:05:25] And if there's one thing I've done right, I never say I'm some kind of a guru, but if there's one thing I've done right,

[00:05:35] it's I've fallen in love with learning and growth.

[00:05:38] And if there's something I was struggling with or didn't know or wanted to do,

[00:05:42] I'd find the right mentor or the right book or the right course and I'd figure it out.

[00:05:47] And again, I have to give credit to my dad. He filled our home with personal development books.

[00:05:53] I've always been around the idea that you can materialize more of your primal genius.

[00:05:59] So growth is big for me. The fourth form of wealth craft is so important.

[00:06:05] Of course, family and wellness. I take those very, very seriously.

[00:06:08] But I spent 12 months writing this book. It was a devotion bordering on an obsession.

[00:06:15] Probably 20 versions of the manuscript, 10,000 changes every manuscript.

[00:06:20] So I think number one, I wanted to push a piece of magic out in the world.

[00:06:24] I don't know if I've done so. My readers will let me know soon.

[00:06:27] But that was my intention.

[00:06:29] But also when you when you work like that, you get to know more of yourself.

[00:06:33] And then I think another one that's very deep for me is the eighth form of wealth,

[00:06:37] smear service, the opportunity to be helpful, the opportunity to help someone in need,

[00:06:44] the opportunity, let's say as an entrepreneur to distribute values

[00:06:48] and try to put great products into the world in a world where too many people are

[00:06:54] card-carrying members of the cult of mediocrity.

[00:06:58] Card-carrying members of the cult of mediocrity. That's an interesting one.

[00:07:03] I'm wondering why you say that.

[00:07:08] Why do you think there are so many people that are settling for mediocrity?

[00:07:12] Well, let me ask you how many Basquias do you see in the world right now?

[00:07:17] How many Picasso's do you see in whatever the field of business or life is?

[00:07:22] How many Federer's?

[00:07:24] Yeah, a few.

[00:07:26] They're almost like unicorns for some reason.

[00:07:28] They're almost like unicorns.

[00:07:30] It's like you go into a coffee shop, it's good.

[00:07:33] But most businesses over promise and deliver.

[00:07:37] So, and I just think this distraction with media

[00:07:42] and this attraction to digital diversion is

[00:07:46] causing a lot of people to be very checked out.

[00:07:49] And so, I think there is a collective

[00:07:53] deprofessionalization of business.

[00:07:56] I think the borders between professional and personal

[00:08:01] have become blurred for obvious reasons.

[00:08:04] And I think too many good souls, and I'm not judging,

[00:08:09] humbly saying, but they go to work and they

[00:08:13] don't see it as a platform to push mastery in the world.

[00:08:16] The wealth money you can't buy is not just about mastery in your work.

[00:08:21] There's those seven forms of wealth, but I think it's

[00:08:24] I think all labor has dignity.

[00:08:27] And I think when you go to work every day,

[00:08:30] we live in a world where maybe hard work is getting a bad reputation.

[00:08:34] And I don't subscribe to the hustle and grind culture.

[00:08:37] I've written a lot about the importance of rest and enjoying the fruits of your labor.

[00:08:41] But our work is very important, and even if no one sees us

[00:08:47] or plots us, doesn't mean we shouldn't try to do beautiful work

[00:08:51] even if we're digging graves.

[00:08:55] So what do you say then to the people who hear this message

[00:08:59] and go, that sounds great, but I work a really crappy job

[00:09:04] because this is all I'm able to get in my current

[00:09:08] standing in life.

[00:09:10] But I'm able to put food on the table.

[00:09:13] I do it not because I like it.

[00:09:15] I don't care for it.

[00:09:17] I have no passion for my passion lies elsewhere.

[00:09:22] What would you say to those people?

[00:09:24] Well, I respect what they say.

[00:09:26] That's the great thing about a human life.

[00:09:28] We all get to roll through our days the way we want.

[00:09:32] I would say to that person number one, you have a lot more choices than you might be noticing.

[00:09:37] We live in a world right now where you use the word unicorn.

[00:09:41] You can launch a unicorn with a phone right now.

[00:09:44] It's true.

[00:09:46] So victims are about CBE, complain, blame and excuse.

[00:09:50] Leaders are about APR, absolute personal responsibility.

[00:09:53] Someone's going to write the next best seller.

[00:09:55] Someone's going to write the code that will change the world.

[00:09:57] Why not you?

[00:09:59] That's the first thing I'd say.

[00:10:01] And the second thing I'd say to a person who's stuck in a job is

[00:10:05] Have you ever been in a coffee shop, Samir?

[00:10:07] And there's 10 people who are on their phones or disengaged.

[00:10:11] And yet there's that one person who still has a sparkle in her eye.

[00:10:15] Absolutely.

[00:10:17] There is a spot.

[00:10:19] As soon as you walk in, you notice the ones that are there but not there.

[00:10:23] And then the ones that are present.

[00:10:25] It's like whenever you have a conversation with someone and

[00:10:28] their phone's on the table and it's going off and they're constantly looking at it.

[00:10:31] They're looking at their smartwatch.

[00:10:34] Versus the person who's fully invested in the other person.

[00:10:36] You see it in coffee shops.

[00:10:38] I was on a flight from London here to come here.

[00:10:40] The gentleman who was working for the airline had a sparkle in his eye

[00:10:42] and did his work like Rembrandt painted.

[00:10:44] I interviewed him sort of.

[00:10:46] And I said, like what is he?

[00:10:48] He goes, oh I love my job and I love my colleagues

[00:10:50] and I love my job.

[00:10:52] And I'm like, I'm going to be a good guy.

[00:10:54] And I'm like, I'm going to be a good guy.

[00:10:56] And I'm like, I'm going to be a good guy.

[00:10:58] And I'm like, I'm going to be a good guy.

[00:11:00] And I'm like, I'm going to be a good guy.

[00:11:02] I love my job and I love my colleagues and I get to fly around the world.

[00:11:04] And I get to do this.

[00:11:06] So all I'm saying is you don't have to leave your current job

[00:11:08] to get the sparkle back.

[00:11:12] My books for many years have been published by Harbour Collins.

[00:11:14] The global CEO, her name was...

[00:11:16] She's not there anymore.

[00:11:18] But her name was Jane Friedman.

[00:11:20] And she started off...

[00:11:22] Not in the mail room but in the secretarial pool.

[00:11:24] But I don't think she said, oh I don't have an important job.

[00:11:26] She probably took it out of her hands.

[00:11:28] So where's the balance between the...

[00:11:30] A point you made about working hard

[00:11:32] but also finding a balance between working hard

[00:11:34] and wellness and giving yourself a break?

[00:11:36] Admittedly, it's an area that I struggle with.

[00:11:38] This past Sunday for example,

[00:11:40] I had a day where I had nothing planned.

[00:11:42] And for the first few hours of the day

[00:11:44] I thought I'd be able to find a balance

[00:11:46] between working hard and well-being

[00:11:48] and giving myself a break.

[00:11:50] Admittedly, it's an area that I struggle with.

[00:11:52] This past Sunday for example,

[00:11:54] I had a day where I had nothing planned.

[00:11:57] And for the first few hours of the day

[00:11:59] I thought this is nice.

[00:12:01] But then it was very much quickly turning into

[00:12:03] I feel like I'm wasting a day.

[00:12:05] I should be doing something.

[00:12:07] I should be working.

[00:12:09] And I don't know if I've subconsciously

[00:12:11] subscribed to this hustle culture.

[00:12:13] I think in some degrees

[00:12:15] I know I have and in others

[00:12:17] I'm like, I think because I'm self-aware

[00:12:19] maybe I'm not.

[00:12:21] But I also see it all around.

[00:12:23] You turn on social media, entrepreneurship

[00:12:25] and the hustle mentality.

[00:12:27] I call it hustle porn.

[00:12:29] It's glorified.

[00:12:31] Quit your day job

[00:12:33] and go and have 10 side jobs, essentially.

[00:12:35] And if you're not working from 5am

[00:12:37] until midnight

[00:12:39] you're not working hard enough.

[00:12:41] This in and of itself

[00:12:43] is creating a group of people

[00:12:45] who are burnt out

[00:12:47] and just reddit it

[00:12:49] quit because it's too much.

[00:12:51] Where do you find the balance

[00:12:54] between the extremes?

[00:12:58] If you look at the research

[00:13:00] the most productive people

[00:13:02] work in cycles.

[00:13:04] They work in seasons.

[00:13:06] Rest is not a luxury, rest is a necessity.

[00:13:08] So I would say for I think you said Sunday

[00:13:10] and

[00:13:12] a lot of us are just overstimulated

[00:13:14] from all of the digital media

[00:13:16] and all the

[00:13:18] attractions and shiny toys out there.

[00:13:20] So it's you're right

[00:13:22] it's more and more it's harder

[00:13:24] to be alone in a room.

[00:13:26] It's harder than ever before

[00:13:28] with even the quick videos for example

[00:13:30] to sit and read

[00:13:32] and so what I would say is

[00:13:34] well I'd go to John Lennon

[00:13:36] he said time you enjoy wasting

[00:13:38] is not wasted time

[00:13:40] and by giving yourself permission

[00:13:42] to take a digital Sabbath

[00:13:46] in the wealth money camp by

[00:13:48] there's a whole section on productivity

[00:13:50] and one of the things I say is

[00:13:52] go to Tokyo

[00:13:54] go to Bali

[00:13:56] go to Vietnam

[00:13:58] go to Medellin

[00:14:00] bring your favorite books

[00:14:02] leave your phone at home

[00:14:04] go try the food

[00:14:06] make some new friends

[00:14:08] if you can't do it for a year

[00:14:10] go goes for a quarter

[00:14:12] if you can't do it for a month

[00:14:14] do it for a day

[00:14:16] what I'm trying to suggest is

[00:14:18] taking time off

[00:14:21] is necessary for creativity

[00:14:23] and productivity

[00:14:25] a good farmer understands that

[00:14:27] a great harvest requires

[00:14:29] a fallow season

[00:14:31] so at least once a week take some time off

[00:14:35] and regularly take time off

[00:14:37] because that's when your ideas incubate

[00:14:39] that's when you become an interesting person

[00:14:41] and not only that

[00:14:43] if you look at what makes mastery

[00:14:45] it's minimalism

[00:14:47] how so

[00:14:49] Picasso

[00:14:51] wasn't a baseball player

[00:14:55] Farah Nadria

[00:14:57] wasn't

[00:14:59] an Olympic boxer

[00:15:01] we live in a world

[00:15:03] the hustle culture

[00:15:05] we also live in a maximalist culture

[00:15:07] we want to push

[00:15:09] 1000 products into the world this year

[00:15:11] versus one Taj Mahal

[00:15:13] in the book there's a chapter called

[00:15:15] build your project X

[00:15:17] do your project X

[00:15:19] and I used the example of the Duomo

[00:15:21] we were talking before on camera

[00:15:23] about Italy

[00:15:25] so you know in Milana

[00:15:27] have you seen the Duomo?

[00:15:29] do you know how long it took?

[00:15:31] 600 years

[00:15:33] how did you know that?

[00:15:35] I want to move to Italy

[00:15:37] I'm super impressed

[00:15:39] 600 years

[00:15:41] and what I challenge readers

[00:15:43] in the book in that chapter

[00:15:45] about doing your project X

[00:15:48] is that you're willing to say no

[00:15:50] to all the shiny toys

[00:15:52] and distractions

[00:15:54] and for 600 years

[00:15:56] focus on your project X

[00:15:58] that one masterpiece

[00:16:00] that when you put it out in the world

[00:16:02] astonishes all witnesses

[00:16:04] I mean

[00:16:06] JD Soutland

[00:16:08] he only published

[00:16:10] The Catcher in the Rye

[00:16:12] but how many millions of people?

[00:16:14] know the book

[00:16:16] the Eiffel Tower

[00:16:18] all you need is one monument

[00:16:20] to stand the test of time

[00:16:22] so I would say

[00:16:24] take the rest and then just focus on one thing

[00:16:26] and priorities

[00:16:28] and be a minimalist

[00:16:30] the three great friends

[00:16:32] not 10,000 digital friends

[00:16:34] then you start stripping the complexity

[00:16:36] out of your life

[00:16:38] and you start to get very monomaniacally focused

[00:16:40] on the few priorities

[00:16:42] and then you have more free time

[00:16:44] free time I think is the ultimate goal

[00:16:46] because even when you speak to the entrepreneurs

[00:16:48] and the hustlers

[00:16:50] it's all about how do I free up my time

[00:16:52] and create passive income

[00:16:54] so that I'm not actually spending time working

[00:16:56] like I would have been in a 9-5 theoretically

[00:16:58] the

[00:17:00] free time concept

[00:17:02] at least to me feels elusive sometimes

[00:17:04] because

[00:17:06] no matter how much

[00:17:08] you work to try and build

[00:17:10] you end up having to work more

[00:17:13] and build further

[00:17:15] I'm curious

[00:17:17] from your perspective

[00:17:19] how you define free time

[00:17:21] and how does someone achieve something like that

[00:17:23] realistically speaking

[00:17:25] not just the occasional Sunday like it is in my case

[00:17:27] well

[00:17:29] I set very clear red lines in my life

[00:17:33] and that's important

[00:17:35] I think setting boundaries is very important

[00:17:37] saying no to things

[00:17:39] as simple as it sounds

[00:17:41] no to most social invitations

[00:17:43] saying no to most friendship requests

[00:17:45] even in business

[00:17:47] what destroys a great company is not that

[00:17:49] they didn't have enough opportunities

[00:17:51] it's that they had too many great opportunities

[00:17:53] and they said yes to everything

[00:17:55] so they diluted their focus

[00:17:57] so

[00:18:01] how do I define free time

[00:18:03] and how do I get it

[00:18:07] I'm very good at scheduling

[00:18:11] I'm old school

[00:18:13] I'm a big piece of paper

[00:18:15] I call it my weekly design template

[00:18:17] I can give it to you

[00:18:19] you can put it in the show notes for all your people

[00:18:21] so we'll make sure we do that

[00:18:23] exchange information afterwards

[00:18:25] so it's a piece of paper about this big

[00:18:27] and

[00:18:29] every Sunday I review my week that's gone by

[00:18:31] and then I just

[00:18:33] reflect and think about the week ahead

[00:18:35] and here's the key Samir

[00:18:37] I try to put everything

[00:18:39] that's important on that schedule

[00:18:41] morning routine is there

[00:18:43] my family meals are there

[00:18:45] what I call my second-win workout

[00:18:47] when I go for a walk after work

[00:18:49] is there times for meditation

[00:18:51] business meetings

[00:18:53] it all goes there which really frees the mind

[00:18:55] I know I sound like Morpheus in the old movie

[00:18:57] Matrix like free your mind

[00:18:59] but then it's all there

[00:19:01] and I even color code it

[00:19:03] and

[00:19:05] it just

[00:19:07] Saul Bellow once had a plan

[00:19:10] so I think a good schedule

[00:19:12] I think good boundaries

[00:19:14] getting great at the polite no

[00:19:16] and also as simple as it sounds

[00:19:18] clarity just getting really clear

[00:19:20] on your last day

[00:19:22] the final section of the book is the eighth form

[00:19:24] of wealth which is service

[00:19:26] and I not only talk about being a gift giver

[00:19:28] versus a taker

[00:19:30] I not only talk about the shortness of life

[00:19:32] but I talk

[00:19:34] about having a living funeral

[00:19:36] and eating

[00:19:38] your last meal today

[00:19:42] and I think connecting to your mentality

[00:19:44] and doing a few rituals

[00:19:46] to remind you of the shortness of life

[00:19:48] it allows you to live to the point

[00:19:50] and then you're not postponing

[00:19:52] and saying yes to everything

[00:19:54] like if there's a quote

[00:19:56] I don't know who said it

[00:19:58] and I'm just going to paraphrase it

[00:20:02] but you know something like that

[00:20:04] knowing that you have 30 days

[00:20:06] to go to the hangman

[00:20:08] which focuses the mind on what's truly important

[00:20:12] and it makes me think of a story in the book

[00:20:14] you know Eugene O. Kelly

[00:20:16] was the global CEO

[00:20:18] of KPMG

[00:20:21] and he went into his doctor

[00:20:23] to receive the results of

[00:20:25] routine medical exam

[00:20:27] doctor came back with a look

[00:20:29] you never want to see

[00:20:31] the doctor said

[00:20:33] long story short

[00:20:35] you've got

[00:20:38] brain tumor and you do have

[00:20:40] 90 days left to live

[00:20:45] he realized, confronted with his mortality

[00:20:47] in all his years

[00:20:49] as a high flying titan

[00:20:51] he had never taken his wife

[00:20:53] to lunch

[00:20:55] he had missed many of his daughters

[00:20:57] Christmas concerts

[00:20:59] he'd never walked Central Park

[00:21:01] with his friends

[00:21:03] and so what he decided to do

[00:21:05] was reverse engineer

[00:21:07] just like he was so good at reverse engineering

[00:21:09] the strategy of his business

[00:21:11] and he decided

[00:21:13] to what he called

[00:21:15] in the book Chasing Daylight

[00:21:17] become a perfect moment creator

[00:21:19] and he literally over the line

[00:21:21] and he did pass away roughly 90 days later

[00:21:23] but in those 90 days

[00:21:25] confronted with the shortness of his life

[00:21:29] he focused on what was most important

[00:21:31] and he created perfect moments for himself

[00:21:33] and his loved ones

[00:21:36] and that's what I'm saying about connecting with your mortality

[00:21:38] really getting clear

[00:21:40] on the fact life is short

[00:21:42] it allows, it's a great decision matrix

[00:21:44] to say no to the unimportant

[00:21:46] and really get busy doing

[00:21:48] I shouldn't say get busy

[00:21:50] but really focusing our hours

[00:21:52] on the things that really count

[00:21:54] the perfect moment

[00:21:58] interesting how he decided

[00:22:00] to

[00:22:02] spend those last 90 days

[00:22:06] the idea of coming face to face

[00:22:08] with your own mortality

[00:22:10] is a daunting thing

[00:22:12] that's an intimidating thing

[00:22:14] but to have the self-awareness

[00:22:16] to go you know what

[00:22:18] I'm going to choose to make those 90 days

[00:22:20] as meaningful as possible

[00:22:22] I think there really is a lesson to your point

[00:22:24] to pull from that

[00:22:26] to extract from that

[00:22:28] why wait until you, God forbid

[00:22:30] you don't find out

[00:22:32] or you don't get told or have it

[00:22:34] you weren't to have only 30 days

[00:22:36] 20 days

[00:22:38] 100 days, whatever a year

[00:22:40] how would you want to live that year

[00:22:42] we only have a short amount of time

[00:22:44] for some of us

[00:22:46] it's 90 days

[00:22:48] and for some of us

[00:22:50] it's 98,000 days

[00:22:52] but life is

[00:22:54] really short

[00:22:56] and human beings as a species

[00:22:58] we are the great postponers

[00:23:00] I'll launch the business

[00:23:03] again the spiritual affair

[00:23:05] I will get fit

[00:23:07] I'll do it

[00:23:09] next month or next year

[00:23:11] start Monday

[00:23:13] we're great postponers

[00:23:15] and I just

[00:23:17] you sounded like you were almost apologizing

[00:23:19] talking about the shortness of life

[00:23:21] and we all do that

[00:23:23] but I don't think

[00:23:25] death is

[00:23:27] depressing, I think death is inspiring

[00:23:29] so

[00:23:34] it's just a reality

[00:23:36] and I think the greatest fear

[00:23:38] is the ambient noise

[00:23:40] we all have that we're going to die

[00:23:42] I think every single one on the planet today

[00:23:44] has a subconscious ambient noise

[00:23:46] we're scared

[00:23:48] at some level because we know we're going to die

[00:23:50] but I just think

[00:23:52] I spent a lot of time thinking about my death

[00:23:54] you know there's

[00:23:56] a concept I have in the wealth of money camp

[00:23:58] I called

[00:24:00] my 25 summers

[00:24:03] framework

[00:24:05] if I'm lucky I have 25 summers left

[00:24:07] it's not a lot of time

[00:24:09] makes me focus on what's most important

[00:24:11] every morning to be tactical

[00:24:13] for all your many listeners

[00:24:15] and viewers around the world

[00:24:17] congratulations on how well your podcast is doing

[00:24:19] doesn't come easy

[00:24:21] it's a lot of work

[00:24:23] so I honor you for that

[00:24:25] we see someone successful and we don't see all the

[00:24:27] all they've gone through

[00:24:29] everything that goes into it

[00:24:31] the sweat, the disappointments

[00:24:33] the long hours

[00:24:35] the many wins that lead up to the big wins

[00:24:37] I appreciate you saying that thank you

[00:24:39] well that's why I think entrepreneurs and creators

[00:24:41] deserve to be put on a pedestal

[00:24:43] because

[00:24:45] it's easy to knock people down

[00:24:49] until you see what they go through

[00:24:51] I think the entrepreneurs

[00:24:53] and creatives and producers

[00:24:55] should be the ones who are absolutely

[00:24:57] celebrated in the world

[00:24:59] and it's just too much entitlement in the world

[00:25:01] right now

[00:25:03] and it's the value creators

[00:25:05] who are up at 5am

[00:25:07] and again I'm not saying hustle and grind

[00:25:09] run what I call the five great hours rule

[00:25:11] we can get into it

[00:25:13] anyway

[00:25:15] to be tactical

[00:25:17] I ask myself

[00:25:19] five morning questions in my journal

[00:25:21] every morning

[00:25:23] which really helps me very much

[00:25:25] and maybe they're going to be helpful

[00:25:28] because gratitude is the antidote to fear

[00:25:30] there's obviously lots of good science

[00:25:32] that deliberate

[00:25:34] gratitude to use the term

[00:25:36] of the positive psychologist

[00:25:38] allows us to have an antidote

[00:25:40] to the negativity

[00:25:42] bias of the human brain

[00:25:44] which is a feature of the human brain

[00:25:46] which causes us to constantly be looking for threats

[00:25:48] so number one

[00:25:50] what am I grateful for

[00:25:52] it retrains the brain to look for the blessings

[00:25:54] and the good

[00:25:56] what am I winning

[00:25:58] you talked about the small wins

[00:26:00] lots of good science talking about that

[00:26:02] for many years

[00:26:04] I've been teaching a brain tattoo

[00:26:06] small daily seemingly

[00:26:08] seemingly insignificant improvements

[00:26:10] when done consistently over time

[00:26:12] lead to stunning results

[00:26:14] so by asking yourself

[00:26:16] where am I winning

[00:26:18] you build momentum and energy

[00:26:20] because you're actually looking for your little wins

[00:26:22] number three I ask myself

[00:26:25] what am I doing today

[00:26:27] one of the chapters at the beginning of the book

[00:26:29] and the growths

[00:26:31] is don't be a resentment collector

[00:26:33] and maybe many of your entrepreneurs

[00:26:35] and creative types who follow you

[00:26:37] might say how is

[00:26:39] releasing resentment

[00:26:41] relevant to my productivity

[00:26:43] and dominating my domain

[00:26:45] because a lot of people will take that

[00:26:47] and go I use my resentment as fuel

[00:26:49] I use my failures as fuel

[00:26:51] I don't think you're ever going to produce your best

[00:26:53] I agree

[00:26:55] I think the greatest masterpieces

[00:26:57] were done from a place of love

[00:26:59] 100% I couldn't agree with you more

[00:27:01] we're talking about Italy

[00:27:03] Michelangelo I don't think was

[00:27:05] doing the frescoes

[00:27:07] on the ceiling of the 16 challenge

[00:27:09] you know

[00:27:11] angry because he didn't get paid

[00:27:13] so I don't know

[00:27:15] but

[00:27:17] so I think it's important to

[00:27:19] release our resentments

[00:27:21] and learn to forgive

[00:27:23] it's not condoning

[00:27:25] but we release the energy that we're caring

[00:27:27] which really frees up intimacy

[00:27:29] with creativity

[00:27:31] and productivity

[00:27:33] and our relationships are so much better

[00:27:35] fourth question

[00:27:37] what does my ideal day look like

[00:27:39] I call it a pre-performance paragraph

[00:27:41] one paragraph on your ideal day

[00:27:43] that walks you into clarity

[00:27:45] so you have more freedom to say no

[00:27:47] and then the final question is

[00:27:50] what needs to be said on my last day

[00:27:54] could you imagine that every day

[00:27:56] you wake up

[00:27:58] and just for three sentences

[00:28:00] Samir

[00:28:02] you reconnect with what you want people to say

[00:28:04] about you on your last day

[00:28:06] and then you live out the day with that frame of reference

[00:28:08] you've built a little protocol to do it

[00:28:10] then you're going to climb the right mountain

[00:28:12] yeah

[00:28:14] I really like that last one

[00:28:16] I think that one is a very

[00:28:18] grounding question

[00:28:22] make you realize

[00:28:24] make you think about the person

[00:28:26] you said

[00:28:28] that family member that maybe has been trying to reach you

[00:28:30] that you haven't called back

[00:28:32] or that petty argument

[00:28:34] that you're having with your partner

[00:28:36] that you're like is this really

[00:28:38] if today was my last day

[00:28:40] is this how I wanted it to go

[00:28:42] type of thing

[00:28:44] it's a very grounding question

[00:28:47] that's more morning

[00:28:49] I'm not going to think about it until I ask myself

[00:28:51] that question and see how I'm feeling

[00:28:53] when I answer that question

[00:28:55] can I ask you a question

[00:28:57] what do you want said about you on your last day

[00:29:00] that I was kind

[00:29:05] I think there's a lot of

[00:29:07] ugliness in the world today

[00:29:09] and

[00:29:11] a lot of times when people are kind

[00:29:13] it's masking

[00:29:15] self-interest

[00:29:17] I would like for someone just to say

[00:29:19] that I was kind and genuine

[00:29:21] that if they spoke to me

[00:29:23] or if I did something for them

[00:29:25] it was always just

[00:29:27] to do it genuinely

[00:29:29] for them

[00:29:31] to be kind to them

[00:29:33] because I think everybody needs a little more kindness in their life

[00:29:35] I think

[00:29:37] by showing

[00:29:39] one extra person a piece of kindness

[00:29:41] a smile, a hello, hold the door

[00:29:43] good morning

[00:29:45] how's your day

[00:29:47] I think that can drastically

[00:29:49] change a person's day

[00:29:51] it's happened to me

[00:29:53] and when that's happened to me

[00:29:55] I need to be able to

[00:29:57] if I can do that for other people

[00:29:59] and I treat it in a similar fashion

[00:30:01] to these conversations

[00:30:03] if I can create a space

[00:30:05] where you feel comfortable

[00:30:07] and safe

[00:30:09] and you can have conversations about whatever is going on in your mind

[00:30:11] and what you're passionate about

[00:30:13] and you don't feel like this is just part of some

[00:30:16] of the meaning of creating content for clicks

[00:30:18] and whatnot but a genuine connection

[00:30:20] genuine connecting moment

[00:30:22] that's

[00:30:24] I think that would be it

[00:30:26] well

[00:30:28] to give you a sincere compliment

[00:30:30] I don't know you very well

[00:30:33] I've just met you

[00:30:35] half an hour ago

[00:30:37] but two things stand out

[00:30:39] number one, you're very present in a world where

[00:30:41] a lot of people aren't quite there

[00:30:43] thank you

[00:30:46] second thing I've noticed about you

[00:30:48] you really are very kind

[00:30:50] and I agree with what you're saying

[00:30:52] we live in a world of

[00:30:54] polite crisis right now

[00:30:56] and people, I've heard it so many times

[00:30:58] well if I'm kind people will walk on me

[00:31:00] people will only walk over you

[00:31:02] if you let them walk over you

[00:31:04] may we not confuse kindness

[00:31:06] with weakness

[00:31:08] I think being kind is powerful

[00:31:10] when I was in my 20s

[00:31:12] I was very blessed to

[00:31:14] be a law clerk

[00:31:16] after law school

[00:31:18] to be a law clerk for

[00:31:20] a tight enough a judge

[00:31:24] and he really he shaped me

[00:31:26] in a lot of things

[00:31:28] I learned so much from my formative years

[00:31:30] and

[00:31:32] one of the things I got right

[00:31:34] was a number of years ago

[00:31:36] we'd been in touch every few

[00:31:38] you know every once in a while

[00:31:40] but I said you know I'm going to get on a plane

[00:31:43] and I'm going to come and I'm going to see you

[00:31:47] and

[00:31:49] so I did and we spent a wonderful

[00:31:51] few hours together

[00:31:53] one morning

[00:31:55] on the east coast of Canada

[00:31:57] and I asked him questions

[00:31:59] and when we finished our time together

[00:32:01] I asked him I said you know

[00:32:03] what's most important

[00:32:05] you've lived a long life

[00:32:07] what's most important

[00:32:09] and he said ah Robin

[00:32:11] be kind

[00:32:13] I still remember him

[00:32:15] saying and he goes oh Robin

[00:32:17] it's so important

[00:32:19] be kind

[00:32:21] and he passed away a number of months after that

[00:32:23] but kindness is

[00:32:25] you know kindness is

[00:32:27] so incredibly important

[00:32:29] and I think

[00:32:31] generosity is related to kindness

[00:32:33] and I think it's

[00:32:35] it's so important

[00:32:37] if you look at the best

[00:32:39] for example they're operating from scarcity

[00:32:41] going to a restaurant

[00:32:43] how can I charge the most amount of money

[00:32:45] and give the least amount of value

[00:32:47] and yet if you would only understand

[00:32:49] the marketplace rewards

[00:32:51] magic delivered

[00:32:53] that's why

[00:32:55] all those chapters in the book on mastery are important

[00:32:57] it's not only good for your soul

[00:32:59] it's good for the world

[00:33:01] that's why Steve Jobs

[00:33:03] he's talked about a lot but he's one of my heroes

[00:33:05] he was less an entrepreneur

[00:33:08] he wanted to push beauty into the world

[00:33:10] before he did the iPhone

[00:33:12] he said I want the icons on the iPhone

[00:33:14] that look so beautiful

[00:33:16] people would want to lick the screen

[00:33:18] he just was

[00:33:20] he was an absolute perfectionist

[00:33:22] by the way

[00:33:24] have you heard of the term in toku?

[00:33:26] no oh I think you'll love it

[00:33:28] it's the Japanese term for

[00:33:30] the art of giving in secret

[00:33:32] so I think

[00:33:34] we're talking about kindness

[00:33:36] I'm suggesting generosity wins in business and life

[00:33:40] but I think a gift given

[00:33:42] for a reward is not a gift

[00:33:44] it's a barter

[00:33:46] so I think in toku is a really great

[00:33:48] business

[00:33:50] for business people

[00:33:52] producers, for family members

[00:33:54] for human beings

[00:33:56] give a gift

[00:33:58] with no reward

[00:34:00] even if it's a compliment

[00:34:02] or if it's

[00:34:05] a look or a present

[00:34:07] or you go the extra mile

[00:34:09] do it

[00:34:11] for the act of giving

[00:34:13] and service

[00:34:15] don't do it because

[00:34:17] you'll get some kind of promotion

[00:34:19] or even some kind of applause

[00:34:21] because that's not a real gift

[00:34:23] I do this little small thing

[00:34:25] where

[00:34:27] if I have a conversation with someone

[00:34:29] and I get to know them enough

[00:34:31] where they share their birth date with me

[00:34:33] I put it in my calendar

[00:34:35] so that on that date

[00:34:37] even if we haven't spoken all year

[00:34:39] I'll just send them a message

[00:34:41] say hey today's your birthday

[00:34:43] I just want to wish you a happy birthday

[00:34:45] and some of the responses

[00:34:47] have been so incredible

[00:34:49] because it's profound

[00:34:51] for people to be like oh you remembered

[00:34:53] it's nice we talked last year

[00:34:55] whatever the case may be

[00:34:57] and I try to do that as a means to

[00:34:59] again just spread

[00:35:01] a bit of extra kindness into the world

[00:35:03] because on your birthday sometimes

[00:35:05] a lot of people are like how many people have wished me

[00:35:07] happy birthday

[00:35:09] I posted a photo of me

[00:35:11] and no ex people commented

[00:35:13] or liked or whatnot

[00:35:15] but then there's a lot of people

[00:35:17] who aren't on social media

[00:35:19] and weren't getting the external validation

[00:35:21] sending that little message

[00:35:23] I think goes a long way

[00:35:25] there's so many things

[00:35:27] I want to ask you about

[00:35:30] I want to quickly dive into

[00:35:32] your perspective

[00:35:34] on wealth

[00:35:36] through money

[00:35:38] I think a lot of people today

[00:35:40] grow up thinking

[00:35:42] if you don't have an ex number

[00:35:44] of dollars in your bank account

[00:35:46] you are not wealthy

[00:35:48] if you are not financially wealthy

[00:35:50] you are not wealthy period

[00:35:52] nothing else matters

[00:35:54] I've heard extremely wealthy people say

[00:35:56] I've been poor

[00:35:58] I've had problems on both sides

[00:36:00] being rich is still better

[00:36:02] and just reinforces this idea

[00:36:04] especially for younger generations growing up

[00:36:06] that you have to chase that dollar

[00:36:08] and you have to make all the sacrifices

[00:36:10] you have to make for it

[00:36:12] what are your thoughts on that

[00:36:14] exactly what the wealth money can't buy is all about

[00:36:16] I think it's almost tragic

[00:36:18] how many people have been hypnotized

[00:36:20] into believing

[00:36:22] that wealth is only about money

[00:36:24] again there's eight forms of wealth

[00:36:27] the fifth form of wealth in the book

[00:36:29] is money and there's 25 chapters

[00:36:31] where I deconstruct exactly how the billionaires

[00:36:33] think what their habits are

[00:36:35] and how they do it

[00:36:37] but you're right, I think there's an entire

[00:36:39] there's generations Samir

[00:36:41] generations of people who are feeling bad

[00:36:43] because

[00:36:45] they're measuring their success

[00:36:47] and wealth by what's in their bank account

[00:36:49] stock portfolio

[00:36:51] and the square footage of their house

[00:36:53] it's like it's a very deep cultural

[00:36:55] programming

[00:36:57] how do you withdraw from that

[00:36:59] there's a lot of podcasts for example

[00:37:01] they go, well we're really lucky today

[00:37:03] we've got a billionaire

[00:37:05] he just exited or she just had a liquidity event

[00:37:07] and sold their company

[00:37:09] wow we have a real hero in the room

[00:37:11] what about the gardener

[00:37:13] who makes the

[00:37:15] community beautiful

[00:37:17] what about the teacher raising 15 kids

[00:37:19] who go out there and change the world

[00:37:21] what about the poet working in anonymity

[00:37:23] and doing it not for applause but

[00:37:25] for honoring their gifts

[00:37:27] and their talents

[00:37:29] that's rich

[00:37:31] what about being authentic

[00:37:33] what about a great family life

[00:37:35] that's rich

[00:37:37] one of the happiest people I've ever met

[00:37:39] was my ski instructor

[00:37:41] and we were going up

[00:37:43] the chairlift one day

[00:37:45] it was a beautiful sunny day

[00:37:47] and he goes, you know Rob

[00:37:49] we used to have amazing conversations

[00:37:52] we're not rich but we have rich lives

[00:37:54] and then I've mentored

[00:37:58] a lot of

[00:38:00] celebrity billionaires

[00:38:02] and I can tell you one comes to mind

[00:38:04] on his way home every day

[00:38:06] he'd buy a lot of alcohol just to medicate himself

[00:38:10] there's a chapter

[00:38:12] the multi-billionaire in the very empty mansion

[00:38:14] a lot of lonely people

[00:38:17] a lot of lonely people

[00:38:19] a lot of the success gets complicated

[00:38:21] I think about Jim Carrey

[00:38:23] he said

[00:38:25] I wish everyone could be rich and famous

[00:38:27] to realize it doesn't make a difference

[00:38:31] how many of us say

[00:38:33] if I had more money

[00:38:35] oh, if I had that house

[00:38:37] if I had that watch

[00:38:39] tell me please isn't that the seduction

[00:38:41] if I had that

[00:38:43] I would feel whatever

[00:38:45] so what we're chasing is not the watch

[00:38:47] but we're trying to fill in the inner hole

[00:38:49] and no external thing will ever heal

[00:38:51] sorry for my voice

[00:38:53] but no external thing

[00:38:55] will ever heal

[00:38:57] and inner wound

[00:38:59] the power of personal development

[00:39:01] some people roll their eyes

[00:39:03] less and less

[00:39:05] it's amazing how I've been at this for 31 years

[00:39:07] it's amazing how over the past few years

[00:39:09] you look at the best seller list

[00:39:11] or what people are consuming

[00:39:13] it's personal developments

[00:39:17] the world is in a good place in many ways

[00:39:19] but when you do MVP

[00:39:21] meditation, visualize and prayer

[00:39:23] when you work with healers

[00:39:25] when you practice mantra

[00:39:27] mantra is Sanskrit for

[00:39:29] man means mind

[00:39:31] means freedom

[00:39:33] mantra is free in the mind

[00:39:35] so when you do all these different modalities

[00:39:37] journaling etc

[00:39:39] you start to fill the holes

[00:39:41] we all have within us

[00:39:43] and then you stop craving

[00:39:45] all those external

[00:39:47] objects

[00:39:49] to help you make

[00:39:52] yourself feel better about yourself

[00:39:55] so what advice

[00:39:57] if someone is listening to this watching this

[00:39:59] you know what

[00:40:01] I'm finding myself being easily seduced

[00:40:03] by the concept of

[00:40:05] if I was able to buy that

[00:40:07] burberry jacket

[00:40:09] if I was able to buy that house

[00:40:11] if I can buy that new car

[00:40:13] that watch you name it

[00:40:15] all of the external things

[00:40:17] and ultimately once you have them

[00:40:19] you realize what's the next thing

[00:40:21] and someone wants to start

[00:40:23] I'm self aware enough to know

[00:40:25] that I'm in this loop

[00:40:27] and I need to get out of it

[00:40:29] well it's a great question

[00:40:31] and you identified it in your question

[00:40:33] awareness is the DNA of transformation

[00:40:35] we live in a world right now

[00:40:37] that is so obsessed with tactics

[00:40:39] what are the tactics

[00:40:41] what are the tools

[00:40:43] and I talk about so many of them in the book

[00:40:45] but let's not forget the power of information

[00:40:47] and ideas

[00:40:50] methodology without philosophy

[00:40:52] is an empty victory

[00:40:54] so the idea

[00:40:56] just becoming aware

[00:40:58] that if I get another watch

[00:41:00] it's going to add more cost

[00:41:02] and more complexity

[00:41:04] or another house

[00:41:06] or all those things

[00:41:08] just becoming aware of that

[00:41:10] allows you to start breaking the loop

[00:41:12] we get good at what we practice

[00:41:14] practice not

[00:41:16] going out and medicating yourself

[00:41:18] the better you're going to get

[00:41:20] second thing I would say is

[00:41:22] we become

[00:41:24] our social network

[00:41:26] and there's very good science

[00:41:28] Nicholas Christakos at Harvard for example

[00:41:30] has found

[00:41:32] that we are influenced

[00:41:34] by not only our

[00:41:36] this is very powerful I believe

[00:41:38] we're influenced not only by our friends

[00:41:40] but the friends of our friends

[00:41:42] and the friends of our friends is friends

[00:41:44] and we could get into why

[00:41:47] but the larger point is

[00:41:49] we become our conversations

[00:41:51] so who are you following

[00:41:53] on social media

[00:41:55] are you following people who are saying

[00:41:57] here's my jet

[00:41:59] feel bad you don't have it

[00:42:01] or are you following people

[00:42:03] who are on a mission to change the world

[00:42:05] and celebrating family

[00:42:07] and doing beautiful work

[00:42:09] and taking nature walks

[00:42:11] and being a good human being

[00:42:13] and enjoying life

[00:42:15] while also doing

[00:42:17] pushing magic in the marketplace

[00:42:19] who are your friends

[00:42:21] are they all about hustle and grind

[00:42:23] I'm not judging I'm just saying

[00:42:25] if you want to break the loop

[00:42:27] of making everything about the watches

[00:42:29] and the jets

[00:42:31] and how much money you have

[00:42:33] ask yourself who are you spending your time with

[00:42:35] not only in your terms of your friendship circle

[00:42:37] but in terms of who are you following

[00:42:39] what content

[00:42:41] are you consuming

[00:42:43] there's one chapter

[00:42:45] so the seventh form of wealth

[00:42:47] is community and it's just this very point

[00:42:49] about stripping out the energy

[00:42:51] vampires and the dream stealers

[00:42:53] and there's one chapter called

[00:42:55] recruit a dead board of directors

[00:42:59] so if you can't find any live people

[00:43:01] who are living your values

[00:43:03] in the life you want to live

[00:43:05] go read the books of

[00:43:07] people who lived rich lives

[00:43:09] truly I think that's what we're talking about

[00:43:12] we're remembering there's a lot of rich people

[00:43:14] who are very life poor

[00:43:16] and we're really talking about living a rich life

[00:43:18] I'm curious

[00:43:21] as we're coming up on some time here

[00:43:27] the author of the 5am club

[00:43:29] what does your morning look like

[00:43:31] so in that book

[00:43:33] I shared the 2020-20 formula

[00:43:35] which I

[00:43:37] lived in many ways

[00:43:39] I practiced it for many years

[00:43:42] I've extended it for many years

[00:43:44] because in that book

[00:43:46] I said

[00:43:48] 20 minutes on a move

[00:43:50] 20 minutes on reflection

[00:43:52] and 20 minutes on growth

[00:43:54] but I need

[00:43:56] you probably agree

[00:43:58] you need an hour to work out the morning

[00:44:00] to really get it

[00:44:02] and then I love having coffee

[00:44:04] and writing in a journal for my reflection period

[00:44:06] that takes 40 minutes

[00:44:08] and then growing

[00:44:10] I did that for many years

[00:44:12] but I'd say for the past year

[00:44:14] I joined the 4am club

[00:44:16] and it

[00:44:18] has sort of changed my life

[00:44:20] well

[00:44:22] first of all I used to go to sleep an hour earlier

[00:44:24] I used to go to sleep at 11

[00:44:26] now I'm in bed between 9.30 and 10

[00:44:28] and it's changed my life

[00:44:30] because it just gives me so much more time

[00:44:32] in the morning

[00:44:34] and people might say wow that's really strange

[00:44:36] because any disruptive idea initially

[00:44:39] yet I'm getting good sleep

[00:44:41] and to get up at 4

[00:44:43] why would I do it?

[00:44:45] it gets to be so fun

[00:44:47] and it makes my days

[00:44:49] so freeing

[00:44:51] and so much

[00:44:53] so much better

[00:44:55] it's not like I don't have bad days

[00:44:57] but so I get up at 4

[00:44:59] and I lay in bed for 45 minutes

[00:45:01] and I open the window

[00:45:03] I live on a farm

[00:45:05] just outside Florence

[00:45:07] I listen to the roosters and the dogs barking

[00:45:09] and I do MVP

[00:45:11] you probably like sports

[00:45:13] so that's the most valuable player

[00:45:15] in my work

[00:45:17] MVP is meditation, visualization and prayer

[00:45:19] so I do that

[00:45:21] meditation, visualization and prayer

[00:45:23] 45 minutes let's say 5-6 days a week

[00:45:25] it really works

[00:45:27] and then I have a little gym

[00:45:29] that I've set up with a great elliptical

[00:45:31] and so I'll have a green drink

[00:45:33] and I will hydrate

[00:45:35] I'll do some cardio

[00:45:37] and some weights and mobility

[00:45:39] so you combine them

[00:45:41] I've realized how important mobility

[00:45:43] is

[00:45:45] weight training is important

[00:45:47] and obviously cardio is important

[00:45:49] so that gets us to 6 o'clock

[00:45:51] I make 2 cups of espresso

[00:45:53] and then I do those journal prompts

[00:45:55] I drink a little bit of espresso

[00:45:57] I write in my journal

[00:45:59] I play some country music

[00:46:01] imagine how I'm feeling

[00:46:04] what better way to start your morning

[00:46:06] yeah and so

[00:46:08] I do that

[00:46:10] I live with my life partner

[00:46:12] Elle

[00:46:14] who's an amazing human being

[00:46:16] and

[00:46:18] then I take my little dog, Holly

[00:46:20] it's her dog

[00:46:22] but she's now my dog

[00:46:24] because she's with me all the time

[00:46:26] so I take her for a little walk

[00:46:28] I think the power of a 15 minute nature walk

[00:46:30] is incredibly transformational

[00:46:32] it's all you need

[00:46:34] and be present

[00:46:36] notice the moon from last night

[00:46:38] notice the air

[00:46:40] notice what it feels like to put your feet on the ground

[00:46:42] maybe give a silent prayer of thanks

[00:46:44] it's a great way to start the day

[00:46:46] Robin thank you so much

[00:46:48] thank you so much for spending some time with me

[00:46:50] for sharing

[00:46:52] all of this wealth of knowledge

[00:46:54] it's just incredible

[00:46:56] I'm excited to

[00:46:58] dig into the world

[00:47:01] I'm excited to dig into this

[00:47:03] and I sincerely hope your readers

[00:47:05] continue to

[00:47:07] just learn from you

[00:47:09] because this has been inspiring

[00:47:11] and I don't know what else to say

[00:47:13] other than I hope that

[00:47:15] our paths can cross again

[00:47:17] sometime soon because

[00:47:19] I'd love to continue having this conversation one way or the other

[00:47:21] I would too

[00:47:23] thank you for your time

[00:47:25] and keep changing all the lives

[00:47:27] you're changing amazing Samir

[00:47:29] thank you so much

[00:47:31] the wealth money can't buy

[00:47:33] available now

[00:47:35] for everyone to purchase

[00:47:37] this is what it looks like

[00:47:39] and that is the genius behind it

[00:47:41] sitting across from me

[00:47:43] Robin thank you so much

[00:47:45] appreciate it everybody